"Nostr is organic tech. Data will flow more naturally instead of going out and fetch, going out and coming back, going out and coming back."
Arjen & Gigi take a long walk. Recorded October 2025.
Projects & tech mentioned:
- Blossom (self-healing links)
- noDNS
- Tollgate (router-to-router payments)
- Wally (Cashu wallet connect)
- innpub (positional audio, innpub.dergigi.com)
- Citrine (Android local relay)
- Amber (Android signer)
- nostr-relay-tray
- Applesauce (code snippets)
- Wingman (remote dev assistant)
- CDK (Cashu dev kit)
- NIP-03 (OpenTimestamps)
- ants (Nostr search)
- OTRTA / Routstr (pay for LLM compute with Cashu)
- Notedeck & nostrdb
- gitworkshop.dev (Nostr-native git collaboration)
- Boris (reading and highlighting)
- Spotstr & Earthly.city (maps on Nostr)
In this dialogue:
- Convincing hzrd to make Blossom more of a protocol
- Self-healing links: content addressing like Nostr but for blobs
- Blossom pacemaker: a tool that monitors your notes and blobs, rebroadcasts and re-uploads as needed
- Local first: local relays, local blossom, local cash, local signers
- "I still get shit for the audio quality"
- Verschlimmbesserung: the German word for making something worse by trying to improve it
- "We should reclaim localhost"
- Every Nostr app should work in airplane mode
- Citrine roadmap: auto-rebroadcast local events once you're online again
- Tollgate v0.2.0: router-to-router payments, released at btc++
- "Some people just hate e-cash" -- "Those people can't be helped"
- Cashu and CDK: making it easy for devs to use e-cash without managing wallets
- Wally: Cashu wallet connect, like NWC but for e-cash, runs local
- Install Wally and you're good to go with everything Nostr
- Special-purpose components that do one thing well
- Zero configuration: if there's a local relay, use it; if there's a local signer, use it
- innpub jukebox: zap the jukebox 200 sats to play a song with positional audio
- Moving away from subscription hell: attach e-cash to your requests
- noDNS deep dive: traditional DNS records published on Nostr instead of Cloudflare
- Self-signed TLS certs verified through Nostr identity
- The human approach: ask around your group of friends vs the authoritarian approach: one central authority
- Pi-hole would be perfectly fine running noDNS
- NIP-03 / OpenTimestamps: indisputable proof of profile existence over time
- "We went back to basically having mainframes and thin clients"
- The vision: everything is a relay, offline or online shouldn't matter
- Damus relay wiped multiple times, nobody cared -- that's resilience
- Data should accumulate in the right places by your pattern of usage
- The Nosterverse: every client is a different lens, there is no global
- "Nostr is organic tech"
- Vibe coding setup: Roo Code, Claude, code snippets from hzrd and Pablo
- "Claude 4.5 is very agreeable -- I could rile it up and start a revolution together"
- The dream flow: just speak voice memos into your phone, code updates 20 minutes later
- Screenless coding: the underutilized interface
- ants search: took npub.world plus nostr.band, crossbred them
- "Software evolution is crossbreeding, not merging back into the original repo"
- Maps on Nostr: the social part is what makes Google Maps useful, Nostr can provide it
- Sovereign Engineering cohort 5: "we really know what we're doing now"
- "The future is already here, we just have a lot of building to do"
- "If you want to build something, the easiest way right now is Nostr"
- We're gonna make torrents great again
Recorded at 918,425.